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Quiero instalar deli en una pentium I 200mHz, 64Mb ram y 4 G de disco duro, que tiene instalado en este mismo momento window ME. Me interesaria mantener el windows y hacer un multiboot, pero hace poco perdi un disco duro (4G) intentando hacer ese mismo procedimiento, pero no fue con el deli.
aunque he revisado como se instala el deli, no dejo de tener un poco de respeto al instalarlo, porque no quiero volver a acabar con el MBR de otro disco. Si alguien conoce algun sitio que se explique como proceder con el multiboot seria muy bueno sobre todo si es con el mismo Deli.

search the web for something like "linux windows dual boot" or similar.
If you want to use DeLi you must read the instructions for a dual boot section with lilo (the bootloader DeLi uses) and the man pages for lilo.conf

http://www.delilinux.org/wiki/doku.php?id=installation:hard_disk

may be helpful as well

ok, ya logre hacer el dual boot pero no puedo levantar el X, el deli es el 0.8....estuve probando con xorg, a lo mejor es que tengo que probar el xtiny???? las caracteristicas de la PC, estan arriba. Lo que me sucede que me sale una pantalla de puntos con el mouse en forma de cruz y no funcional....

with 64 MB RAM I recommend to use the xorg server not the tinyx.

There are many examples for the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf here in the forum and the "success stories" wiki page. If you need more infos of your hardware, search the web for sites such as http://tuxmobil.com (for laptops) etc.
in the spanish forum is a thread that describes the setup of the xorg server in details (it is for DeLi 0.7 but there is no difference between the versions concerning the xorg.conf).

http://www.delilinux.org/forum/topic.php?id=283



If you need more help, post your xorg.conf file and all infos you have about the hardware (video chips, mouse type and port, etc.).

sigo sin poder cargar correctamente el X, al parecer no estoy entrando algun dato correctamente, para mañana podre tenerlos..sale una patalla (de ptos) y el mouse en forma de cruz inactivo. cuando salgo del X ctrl alt bck, los errores que encuentro en pantalla son de este tipo:
failed to load module glx, dri, xtrap, and i810. these modules don't exist y que sigue sin encontrar el mouse...cual es la forma correcta tyy00 o tyyS0??..remember im new in linux..excuse me in advance for silly questions,but i want to have delii linux running in my old machine!!!..i dont have internet at home then i have to wait a day for see the problems and call for help..
but im sure that we gonna make it!!!

these are bad news.....

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failed to load module glx, dri, xtrap,

these errrors don't matter at all -- just ignore them

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and i810.

this is indeed a major problem : the i810 driver doesn't exist in the DeLi packages because of the many dependecies it has; http://www.delilinux.org/forum/topic.php?id=597 shows a solution for this problem but it is somewhat difficult -- it is your decission whether you want to fight your way through it or install the xvesa driver instead.

you should be able to fix the mouse problem with the instruction in the spanish thread :
you must choose the correct protocol for the mouse you have and the correct port it is connected to :
/dev/ttyS0 if it is a serial mouse on port COM1
/dev/ttyS1 if it is a serial mouse on port COM2
/dev/psaux if it is a PS/2 mouse or a built-in laptop "mouse"
....

it is essential to have more and detailed information about the hardware you are using; so try to collect any infos about it (e.g. from the Windows installation) and post it here.

and one more warning :
DeLi relays to a certain extent on an internet connection. Without it, the installation and administration is possible but very difficult. I wouldn't run DeLi (or another Linux distro) on a machine without internet or at least network access -- but it is up to you

bueno, aca estoy de nuevo..
logré que no me diera ningun error
pero sigue sin verse correctamente..
mi monitor es un aoc spectrum 4vn y todo parece inidicar que el problema viene por que no lo estoy configurando correctamente...

video card> Trident 9440 pci
mouse> serial, 2 buttons, A4 Tech
Keyboard> Standard 101/102

I found on the web for the video card :

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- trident: Placas de vídeo da Trident. Ele funciona bem com placas Trident Blade e os novos chipsets usados em notebooks, mas o suporte às antigas 9440 e 9680 é ruim e em muitos casos elas funcionam a apenas 640×480. Pensando nestas placas, algumas distribuições, como o Mandriva oferecem a opção de usar o driver do antigo Xfree 3.3, que oferecia um suporte mais completo a elas.

Apesar de brutalmente ultrapassadas, as Trident 9440 e 9680 foram as mais vendidas durante a maior parte da década de 1990 e por isso ainda são usadas em muitos micros antigos.

use the trident driver then
for the monitor : if it is a 15" monitor 800x600 resolution should be enough;
I would try at first the minimum. such as "640x480, 60 Hz, 256 Colors" and then 72 Hz,
then 800x600, 72 Hz, 256 Colors, then more colors and so on
I would comment out the other config options and keep only the one you are currently testing

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mouse> serial, 2 buttons, A4 Tech

use /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 for the port and (most likely) the microsoft protocol; I recommend to choose the "emulate 3rd button" option

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Keyboard> Standard 101/102

use the generic driver

finalmente tengo el X, con todo funcionando!!!! thanks for help me!
ahora quiero instalar los paquetes que tengo en /usr/bin.. i need your help again...
xmms, vlc...., Es posible ver otros discos en la maquina con Fat32 y windows???? no me parece haber visto nada de esto en los post...( todavia no he montado ni el USB, ni el CDrom, pero espero que lo he visto en el forum me sirva)

some infos about the mounting procedure on DeLi :
DeLi doesn't come with the automount program, although the kernel modul is already included. If you want to use this, you must compile and install the automounter (and the dependencies)yourself. You must mount the drives manually or create a button therefore in the Icewm menu; both methoeds a describe in some threads (e.g. the "vocation autista ..." thread )

read man mount, man fstab and the threads about this in the forum.
you can mount a windows drive with the command

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mount /dev/hd** -t vfat /mnt

where /dev/hd** must be set to the number of the windows partition and /mnt is the mountpoint (/mnt is already created by default, but you can make a mountpoint directory of your free choice).
there a serveral thraed with description of the usage of USB drives (e.g the "my personal experience ...." by littlebat and several others. Just make sure the USB modules are loaded (in /etc/rc.modules if you want to have it at boottime) and the subsystem is running.

this is the relevant part of littlebats posting :

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In order to use my usb flash disk and usb mouse, I add a new line "/sbin/modprobe usb-ohci" into file "/etc/rc.modules" in a P6SEP-Me (SIS system) mainboard computer, and add a new line "/sbin/modprobe usb-uhci" into file "/etc/rc.modules" in an i810 mainboard machine.

You managed the rough part of the way already, now most things are more-or-less a playing around with the personal configuration of the system and applications.

ok, thanks again,...but for programs installation is pacman -S the way for do it??? or deliget??

deliget is only for DeLi v0.7.x; for 0.8 it is pacman -S (if you use the repository of the CD) and/or pacman -U http://www. ...... if you use the repository of the server

Hi, again!
the thing is that i choose the full installation, then i found some programs (remember i'm new in linux), or something like that in different folders, is possible to install them or they are not functional??? i'm talking about the hard disk, those programs are there (123mpg, xmms, vlc), i ran the command pacman -S with the path, and nothing happened..

if you choose the "install additionalsoftware packages -- install all packages" option during the installation, the programs should be installed already. Test it , for example by typing
man mpg123 etc. If it is there you will get the instructions how to use (and configure) it.
Same with man xmms2 and man vlc.

Read the wiki page about pacman again; you can/must edit the pacman.conf file to set the path for the repository. Once you have set this, you can use the pacman -S (or -U) command without the path, but the full file name (i.e. with ....pkg.tar.gz at the end),

well, today is all bad news....i cant install the usb, "sd_modprobe" do not function.....although when you try to find mount it, deli dont find the type of dispositive (more less, something like that), with the cdrom is another problem..i try everything that appear in the post...my usb is uhci, when i fdisk -ls, i can see it, but only that...when deli load, all is good less "sd_modprobe".....
about run programs... i dont know how to load it!!!!...pacman -Q, give me a lot of installed pack, but first i dont find any pkg.tar.gz.....if there are any...in the folder /usr/bin i can see a lot of programs, but again i dont know how to execute it.....
!!!> usb ,
edit /etc/rc.modules
/sbin/modprobe usbcore
/sbin/modprobe usb-uhci
/sbin/modprobe usb-storage
/sbin/modprobe usb_mod
/sbin/modprobe sd_mod

after that> mkdir/mnt/usb
after saw the fdisk -ls
i edited the /etc/fstab
/dev/scsi/host/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/usb auto rw,user 0 0 (i dont see here, the type of dispositive)

for the cdrom
/dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/cd /cdrom iso9660 ro,user 0 0 (i found this line in the post, i dont see nothing like that when i fdisk -ls)

okay, I guess it is just a misunderstanding :
as long as you haven't downloaded and installed the gexec package, you must start the applications from a xterm window. this is the botton with the black screen (the 4 th from the left) in the icewm toolbar. when you click it a window pops up with a cursor. type man mpg123 at first, read the instructions and type mpg123 with the parameters you need to start the application. same with vlc, a little bit different with xmms (here you must start the xmms server and the client gxmms2. Read the file /usr/share/gxmms2/README and man xmms2 for the instructions.

for the packman stuff : the .pkg.tar.gz files are the packed programs you can/must load from the repository (the ISO CD or the DeLi server). pacman does the unpacking and the installation automatically, so you will have only the files from the .pkg.tar.gz archive - unpacked and installed in the right place and with all the necessary links etc. and ready to run or to get configured. (It is not quiet correct, as pacman stores a copy of the downloaded archives in /var/lib/cache but this is only for backup raesons and the files are not used in any way)

and for the USB device (is it memory stick or something else ?) :
all modules available can be found in the directories /lib/modules/2.4.../kernel/drivers/....
there you will see no module sd_mod. I don't know what this is and what you use it for, but if you need it indeed you must compile it from source ......
The USB subsystem obviously is running already, so get some infos for the device with the command lsusb and post the results here. Try also the adding/modifying the specific line SERVICES="coldplug" in the file /etc/rc.conf as described in the other threads. the "auto" detection of the file system type is not possible in DeLi, so you must specify the type in the fstab or use a command like the following if you mount it manually :
mount /dev/<the-path-for-the device> -t <the-fs-type> /mnt/usb

for the CD ROM : try to mount it manually at first with the command
mount /dev/hd<the-letter-for-the-drive -t iso9660 /cdrom
you can find the letter for the CD drive when you run the command dmesg | more

and by the way : for real linux noob it is often a good idea to spend some money on a good Linux book written for beginners

you can create buttons for the starting of applications from the toolbar by yourselve. the following is an example for the file /home/<user>/.icewm/toolbar




# This is an example for IceWM's toolbar definition file.
#
# Place your variants in /etc/icewm or in $HOME/.icewm
# since modifications to this file will be discarded when you
# (re)install icewm.
#
prog XTerm xterm xterm -C -bg black -fg white -cr red -fn 9x15
prog "Midnight Commander" mc xterm -C -T "Midnight Commander" -cr red -fn 9x15 -bg black -fg white -e mc
prog "Anwendung aufrufen" run gexec
prog Tabellenprogramm spreadsheet gnumeric
prog Editor beaver beaver
prog Taschenrechner calculator calcoo
prog ".pdf Datei ansehen" pdf-document epdfview
prog "Zwischenablage" xclipboard xclipboard
prog "Browser" icecat icecat
prog Chat chat xchat
prog "FTP Client" ftp xterm -C -bg black -fg white -cr red -fn 9x15 -e ncftp
prog "Post" mail sylpheed
prog Bildbearbeitung gimp3 gimp
prog Diashow image-viewer gqview
prog "CD Player" cd-player xterm -C -bg black -fg white -cr red -fn 9x15 -e workbone -d
/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 -q -a
prog "Xmms2" gxmms2 gxmms2
prog "Root Konsole" system xterm -C -bg black -fg white -cr red -fn 9x15 -e su
prog "Herunterfahren" logout sudo /sbin/halt

yes but i need the book for free.... i dont have money to spend in a linux book...y es el unico comentario que quiero hacer sobre esto....si conoces algun sitio, con un buen manual, perfecto!!!!
por otro lado si pones man vlc, no sale nada..., el manual no tiene nada sobre vlc....
por otro lado el gexec package, no viene con el disco de instalacion???????
cuando intento correr vlc por el x-terminal me dice que no es posible...
ademas siempre pense y pienso que los programas pueden correrse directamente en el entorno grafico, lo cual es posible creando botones..
intentare hoy los consejos para la instalacion del disco y el usb, ok

it doesn't help you much, but just for the info :
there are several free Linux books in German available on the net; they can be found by search for something like "openbook + Linux"; maybe there are similar books in Spanish or at least in English (I'll google a bit).
if man vlc doesn't show anything, the vlc packages isn't installed -- check the directory /var/lib/pacman/local ; here you can see all packages that are installed on your system

gexec is available only from the DeLi server, not the CD; you can download it manually from http://www.delilinux.org/pkg/current/ , copy it on a floppy and then on your PCs hard disk;
run pacman -A gexec-....pkg.tar.gz as root to install it

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intentare hoy los consejos para la instalacion del disco y el usb, ok

good idea

edit : found this already
http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/debian/chapter/index.html

ok, maybe this gonna sound bizarre, but i cant download for security reason in the server ".gz" extension...you can helpme with that???

oh yes, it sounds really bizarre
however, it is not a issue of the server (I'm almost sure as the whole directory is configurated for anonymus ftp download....). Perhaps it is a security issue of the machine you are using for the download (.gz files are compressed archives and cannot be scanned for virus infection by most realtime scanners)

only the admin of the PC/network can change these settings

http://www.delilinux.org/forum/topic.php?id=30

here haary suggested to use the SCSI kernel instead of the IDE kernel to solve the USB problem. I have a kernel without SCSI support, so I can't tell you whether the sd_mod modul is included in the IDE kernel or not.

in the meantime I checked the kernel sources. The USB subsystem is running on your installation, the SCSI subsystem is not. So make sure you have the SCSI driver modules installed.

http://www.delilinux.org/forum/topic.php?id=218 shows an additional line with the scsi modul. This line seems to be misssing in your /etc/rc.conf file and therefore the SCSI subsytem is not started.

In the kernel sources I found in the ../drivers/scsi directory no driver sd_mod, but a driver sd. Try both. I would try adding the lines

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/sbin/modprobe scsi
/sbin/modprobe sd

and/or

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/sbin/modprobe scsi_mod
/sbin/modprobe sd_mod

and see what happens.

to test the stick, connect it to the USB port and reboot the PC (with the coldplug service in the /etc.rc.conf file). dmesg | more , lsmod and lsusb should give you the infos you need.

I'm not using SCSI or USB , so I cannot test the suggestions (better say guesses) myself...

ok, i will try everything (/sbin/modprobe scsi
/sbin/modprobe sd) , for today i have very good news....
i mount the cdrom: mount /dev/hdb -t iso9660 /cdrom
an the usb: mount /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 -t auto /mnt/usb.....
the usb mount, it seems to me very large...maybe is not correct the way i mount it, but it works...but not very fast...im working with stick all the time, usb 2.0.......
finally i downloaded the gexec, and install it...i run the xcalc, directly by clicking it, but its the only program that execute, the others i dont go so far....maybe the others not run in X???? that is possible???
for run mpg123 (at the x-terminal) the system ask me for a library that i need to install....that for me is a problem....
well i wait for you amazing help, ahora mi deli no es autista, esta comenzando a decir sus primeras palabras...